0339 – Ohio Concealed Carry Reform HB 203 and Concepts of the Second Amendment

A quick update:  HB 203 has passed out of House Committee and onto the House floor.  Voting is expected to take place soon.  From the NRA-ILA.

 

Today’s podcast is something I usually don’t do. We are going to look at a current event. Ohio’s HB 203, a concealed carry reform bill. Why some thing different?

  1. I sat down to write a little blip with some links and zoned in and came out with 700 words on a topic
  2. Listeners have been emailing and asking where are the podcasts?!?
  3. We really need to look at Second Amendment issues from a responsible standpoint.

You might be asking, “Why should I listen to Ohio specific material”

  1. good to know from reciprocity standpoint
  2. you might live in Ohio
  3. conceptually the 2a is the 2a and there are some big conceptual pieces in this bill both for the better and the worse.

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Overview of Ohio CCW Reform

Today’s podcast is something I usually don’t do. We are going to look at a current event. Ohio’s HB 203, a concealed carry reform bill. Why some thing different?

  1. I sat sown to write a little blip with some links and zoned in and came out with 700 words on a topic
  2. Listeners have been emailing and asking where are the podcasts!
  3. We really need to look at second ammendment issues from a responsible standpoint.

You might be asking, “Why should I listen to Ohio specific material”

  1. good to know from reciprocity standpoint
  2. you might live in Ohio
  3. conceptually the 2a is the 2a and there are some big conceptual pieces in this bill both for the better and the worse.

Since the State of Ohio became a “shall issue” State in 2004 we have experienced a steady progression of bills improving the Ohio Revised Code regarding concealed handguns. Over the past two weeks the Ohio House Committee has heard arguments both for and against a list of positive changes to the States Concealed Handgun License laws.

Next Tuesday the same Ohio House Committee will vote on Self-Defense and Right-to-Carry Reform. You can read the press release from the NRA-ILA here.

Representative Terry Johnson (R-90) is the sponsor of HB203 which makes a slew of positive changes to the bill for those that carry concealed in the state of Ohio.

The changes proposed in the bill include:

  1. Sets up an automatic reciprocity system with other states.
  2. Eliminates the 12 hour training requirement to obtain a competency certificate needed to obtain an Ohio CCW.
  3. Aligns the Ohio CCW application standards with federal disqualifies for the possession and purchase of a firearm.
  4. Creates a process for non-residents to obtain an Ohio CHL.
  5. Upgrades the background check CCW applicants undergo to be NICS compliant. This could eventually lead to a NICS exemtption when CHL holders purchase firearms.
  6. Removes a lawful individuals duty to retreat when they are outside of their home or vehicle.

In general, I am a big fan of this revision of Ohio’s CHL law.

When it comes to reciprocity more states is better and currently, the AG is responsible for pursuing reciprocity agreements. That works fine right now, however, with an anti-gun AG in office we could see issues. Overall, an automated system that adds states as appropriate is a positive improvement.

Eliminating the minimum 12 hour training requirement might seem like something I would be against as I derive income from Ohio CCW training, however, the fact is, 12 hours is a difficult time frame to work with. Too long for one day, too short for two. In addition, we need to be realistic and understand that the majority of the CCW training that is taking place in the state is substandard. You would have a hard time explaining to me how 12 hours of bad training is better than 4 or six or eight hours of bad training. Students need to be in class for the amount of time it takes to meet the objectives. Assigning an arbitrary time limit is silly.

I have to say that if current federal law prohibits you from possessing a firearm, Ohio State Law shouldn’t allow for you to receive a CHL. This seems to be an oversight that needs to be corrected.

when it comes to non-resident permits, I am all for non-residents being able to apply for an Ohio CCW. I have students that travel in from states like New York, Maryland, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, just to name a few, and those students should have the right to carry a concealed handgun when they arrive in the Buckeye State to train. The same goes for any other law abiding citizen.

I am not a fan of tying the Ohio background check to NICS. I know that it would make purchasing guns easier in the future by allowing Ohio CCW holders the ability to bypass a NICS check, however, if in the future the NICS background check were to change in nature and scope then the Ohio CHL standards AUTOMATICALLY change to match. Plain and simple if you don’t pass a NICS check you don’t get a CCW permit. Although I don’t see this as an issue TODAY, who knows what the future holds. I would like to keep poser over Ohio’s CHL permitting process in OHIO. Politics is a game of chess, and we best be thinking three moves ahead. Overall, I am willing to give up convenience for liberty. I am not for this provision.

Stand Your Ground laws have garnered a tremendous amount of press in the last two years primarily due to the Zimmerman case which interestingly enough had nothing to do with Stand Your Ground Laws. In simple terms this portion of the Bill would ease the defense of armed civilians who used lethal force to defend themselves. The burden of proving that you were unable to retreat would be removed. I’m a big fan of this portion of the Bill. Big Fan.

Despite the issue I have with the NICS system provision, overall this Bill is a positive step for Ohio gun owners. Follow the link to the NRA-ILA and contact committee members and your representative and let them know how you feel about the bill and its provisions.

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